Well my friends there are certain perks of being an independant. ND is never tied down and they can play anyone they want anywhere. I know the other independants schedlue around where they are going to draw big too. Why is that bad, I think it is bad-ass! I like that schools have the balls to go out and play old school football.
Rutgers should have played them at the meadowlands, ND doesn't want to play in front of 40-50k crowds anymore, it would be a waste. UConn is probably the other school they were talking about. Maybe Syracuse but don't they allready have that series set up? Regardless, ND could play Army or Navy in the Meadowlands, Gillete Stadium, the Ravens Stadium, wherever. Hell, I plan on going to see Army-ND at Soldier Field in Chicago! That is going to be amazing!
esayem Wrote:Well my friends there are certain perks of being an independant. ND is never tied down and they can play anyone they want anywhere. I know the other independants schedlue around where they are going to draw big too. Why is that bad, I think it is bad-ass! I like that schools have the balls to go out and play old school football.
Rutgers should have played them at the meadowlands, ND doesn't want to play in front of 40-50k crowds anymore, it would be a waste. UConn is probably the other school they were talking about. Maybe Syracuse but don't they allready have that series set up? Regardless, ND could play Army or Navy in the Meadowlands, Gillete Stadium, the Ravens Stadium, wherever. Hell, I plan on going to see Army-ND at Soldier Field in Chicago! That is going to be amazing!
So then you would have no problem with UNC playing them in Jacksonville?
esayem Wrote:Well my friends there are certain perks of being an independant. ND is never tied down and they can play anyone they want anywhere. I know the other independants schedlue around where they are going to draw big too. Why is that bad, I think it is bad-ass! I like that schools have the balls to go out and play old school football.
Rutgers should have played them at the meadowlands, ND doesn't want to play in front of 40-50k crowds anymore, it would be a waste. UConn is probably the other school they were talking about. Maybe Syracuse but don't they allready have that series set up? Regardless, ND could play Army or Navy in the Meadowlands, Gillete Stadium, the Ravens Stadium, wherever. Hell, I plan on going to see Army-ND at Soldier Field in Chicago! That is going to be amazing!
So then you would have no problem with UNC playing them in Jacksonville?
* If ND agrees to play at RJS for the majority of their 'away' games I can see USF agreeing to play in Orlando a couple times. ND has gone on record as wanting to play more games in Florida. The Citrus Bowl and RJS have been prominately mentioned in these discussions.
* USF and ND have already agreed to a one-and-done at south bend, and Mike White specifically never ruled out a future return game in Tampa.
* White never said that it had to be a Northeastern team, but rather a team "out East." That would rule out UC and UL, unless they agree to move their games to the Northeast. I don't see UL agreeing to fewer home games with their upcoming stadium expansion project.
My money would be on Syracuse....but don't they already have a deal with the Irish? However, playing in the Meadowlands can certainly help rebuild the Syracuse brand in the NY metro area and could help regain some turf back from Rutgers in terms of exposure. But based on what we've read....it could easily be USF.
(This post was last modified: 04-27-2008 12:25 PM by CyberBull.)
CyberBull Wrote:Could the 'other' Big East team be USF?
* USF plays in a large pro stadium.
* If ND agrees to play at RJS for the majority of their 'away' games I can see USF agreeing to play in Orlando a couple times. ND has gone on record as wanting to play more games in Florida. The Citrus Bowl and RJS have been prominately mentioned in these discussions.
* USF and ND have already agreed to a one-and-done at south bend, and Mike White specifically never ruled out a future return game in Tampa.
* White never said that it had to be a Northeastern team, but rather a team "out East." That would rule out UC and UL, unless they agree to move their games to the Northeast. I don't see UL agreeing to fewer home games with their upcoming stadium expansion project.
My money would be on Syracuse....but don't they already have a deal with the Irish? However, playing in the Meadowlands can certainly help rebuild the Syracuse brand in the NY metro area and could help regain some turf back from Rutgers in terms of exposure. But based on what we've read....it could easily be USF.
BINGO! SU wants to be New Yorks college fb team very bad, with all of the money being spent on marketing down their in the City and having a local radio station down there broadcasting all of its games. Add in all of the alumni down their and the fact that they used to love to play in the Kickoff Classic at Giants Stadium. I am afraid that it just maybe SU. But like Neil said in another post, I can only see that occuring if all of the games in the series are played there. Syracuse would love it and ND would be ecstatic with such a deal.
Syracuse makes the most sense in my eyes. But hey I hope that all our schools say stick it go n play Army in the Meadowlands.
I hope the RU AD is in contact with the other BE football schools and that they decide on a united course of action in dealing with ND.
CyberBull Wrote:Could the 'other' Big East team be USF?
* USF plays in a large pro stadium.
* If ND agrees to play at RJS for the majority of their 'away' games I can see USF agreeing to play in Orlando a couple times. ND has gone on record as wanting to play more games in Florida. The Citrus Bowl and RJS have been prominately mentioned in these discussions.
* USF and ND have already agreed to a one-and-done at south bend, and Mike White specifically never ruled out a future return game in Tampa.
* White never said that it had to be a Northeastern team, but rather a team "out East." That would rule out UC and UL, unless they agree to move their games to the Northeast. I don't see UL agreeing to fewer home games with their upcoming stadium expansion project.
My money would be on Syracuse....but don't they already have a deal with the Irish? However, playing in the Meadowlands can certainly help rebuild the Syracuse brand in the NY metro area and could help regain some turf back from Rutgers in terms of exposure. But based on what we've read....it could easily be USF.
BINGO! SU wants to be New Yorks college fb team very bad, with all of the money being spent on marketing down their in the City and having a local radio station down there broadcasting all of its games. Add in all of the alumni down their and the fact that they used to love to play in the Kickoff Classic at Giants Stadium. I am afraid that it just maybe SU. But like Neil said in another post, I can only see that occuring if all of the games in the series are played there. Syracuse would love it and ND would be ecstatic with such a deal.
Does Syracuse really need to bow and kiss ND a$$ for games in NYC when they already have them playing at the Dome. Yes maybe flip them a bone and go down there once but with the scheduled opponents that Cuse has though 2020 I really don't think they have to go that low and could have those fans driving up to the Dome for the cash they need if they start winning again.
With quality opponents and draws to the Dome like USC, Penn State, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and BC on the schedule through 2020, and the potential to draw other big name schools, I would think that Cuse would hold firm for most of those games at home with ND if they scheduled them. With teams of that caliber coming to town there is no need to cave and bow to ND. Those Irish and CUSE NYC fans could do your community a lot more good driving to Syracuse and spending their money there in Syracuse restaurants and hotels than they would in the NJ or the NYC area. The city of Syracuse could use the money too. I was up there last year looking at the university for my son. The main campus around the Dome was beautiful and impressive but the drive around town when we got lost was down right scary. The city itself appears to be a run down Rustbelt relic like all other northern industrial cities where business's have left town and left struggling communities behind. Bringing the money to the Syracuse community rather than leaving it in another city would be a wiser decision for the Cuse community all around.
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(This post was last modified: 04-27-2008 02:26 PM by panite.)
CyberBull Wrote:My money would be on Syracuse....but don't they already have a deal with the Irish? However, playing in the Meadowlands can certainly help rebuild the Syracuse brand in the NY metro area and could help regain some turf back from Rutgers in terms of exposure. But based on what we've read....it could easily be USF.
BINGO! SU wants to be New Yorks college fb team very bad, with all of the money being spent on marketing down their in the City and having a local radio station down there broadcasting all of its games. Add in all of the alumni down their and the fact that they used to love to play in the Kickoff Classic at Giants Stadium. I am afraid that it just maybe SU. But like Neil said in another post, I can only see that occuring if all of the games in the series are played there. Syracuse would love it and ND would be ecstatic with such a deal.
Does Syracuse really need to bow and kiss ND a$$ for games in NYC when they already have them playing at the Dome. Yes maybe flip them a bone and go down there once but with the scheduled opponents that Cuse has though 2020 I really don't think they have to go that low and could have those fans driving up to the Dome for the cash they need if they start winning again.
With quality opponents and draws to the Dome like USC, Penn State, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and BC on the schedule through 2020, and the potential to draw other big name schools, I would think that Cuse would hold firm for most of those games at home with ND if they scheduled them. With teams of that caliber coming to town there is no need to cave and bow to ND. Those Irish and CUSE NYC fans could do your community a lot more good driving to Syracuse and spending their money there in Syracuse restaurants and hotels than they would in the NJ or the NYC area. The city of Syracuse could use the money too. I was up there last year looking at the university for my son. The main campus around the Dome was beautiful and impressive but the drive around town when we got lost was down right scary. The city itself appears to be a run down Rustbelt relic like all other northern industrial cities where business's have left town and left struggling communities behind. Bringing the money to the Syracuse community rather than leaving it in another city would be a wiser decision for the Cuse community all around.
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Again, if Syracuse was involved (which I don't think they are), the ONLY way I see it working is if the series with ND was strictly played at Meadowlands, with no return games at ND. It would be similar to the old Kick-Off Classics that would alternate ND, PSU, and SU playing another team at the Meadowlands.
But again, even this set-up is unlikely when, as you point out, we have the likes of Penn State, USC, and VT coming to the Dome.
What's to prevent PSU and USC asking for the same consideration (to play a one-off neutral site game at the Meadowlands) in the future?
don't be surprized if Penn St looks for a game in meadowlands or any other big schools looking for neutral site games if they have to go on the road, it might be the wave for the future if there money to be made.
however there is one difference between PSU & ND, PSU would prefer 8 home games. When ND goes on the road, there looking for oppertunities for there legion of fans across the country to get to games.
CyberBull Wrote:My money would be on Syracuse....but don't they already have a deal with the Irish? However, playing in the Meadowlands can certainly help rebuild the Syracuse brand in the NY metro area and could help regain some turf back from Rutgers in terms of exposure. But based on what we've read....it could easily be USF.
BINGO! SU wants to be New Yorks college fb team very bad, with all of the money being spent on marketing down their in the City and having a local radio station down there broadcasting all of its games. Add in all of the alumni down their and the fact that they used to love to play in the Kickoff Classic at Giants Stadium. I am afraid that it just maybe SU. But like Neil said in another post, I can only see that occuring if all of the games in the series are played there. Syracuse would love it and ND would be ecstatic with such a deal.
Does Syracuse really need to bow and kiss ND a$$ for games in NYC when they already have them playing at the Dome. Yes maybe flip them a bone and go down there once but with the scheduled opponents that Cuse has though 2020 I really don't think they have to go that low and could have those fans driving up to the Dome for the cash they need if they start winning again.
With quality opponents and draws to the Dome like USC, Penn State, Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and BC on the schedule through 2020, and the potential to draw other big name schools, I would think that Cuse would hold firm for most of those games at home with ND if they scheduled them. With teams of that caliber coming to town there is no need to cave and bow to ND. Those Irish and CUSE NYC fans could do your community a lot more good driving to Syracuse and spending their money there in Syracuse restaurants and hotels than they would in the NJ or the NYC area. The city of Syracuse could use the money too. I was up there last year looking at the university for my son. The main campus around the Dome was beautiful and impressive but the drive around town when we got lost was down right scary. The city itself appears to be a run down Rustbelt relic like all other northern industrial cities where business's have left town and left struggling communities behind. Bringing the money to the Syracuse community rather than leaving it in another city would be a wiser decision for the Cuse community all around.
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Again, if Syracuse was involved (which I don't think they are), the ONLY way I see it working is if the series with ND was strictly played at Meadowlands, with no return games at ND. It would be similar to the old Kick-Off Classics that would alternate ND, PSU, and SU playing another team at the Meadowlands.
But again, even this set-up is unlikely when, as you point out, we have the likes of Penn State, USC, and VT coming to the Dome.
What's to prevent PSU and USC asking for the same consideration (to play a one-off neutral site game at the Meadowlands) in the future?
Cheers,
Neil
I would agree with that. A neutral game is a neutral game. You play at the neutral site every year and share everything equally. That includes the gate, the ticket allotment, the concessions, and the TV REVENUE. You play it like the Cocktail Bowl with Georgia and Florida, or like the Texas and Oklahoma game in the Cotton Bowl. You don't bow to ND and give them everything they want in the Meadowlands including the TV revenue which is what this neutral site crap is all about anyway and then play them at their stadium and give them everything again the next year.
Respectfully to Cuse and Conn this makes the BE look bad by stabbing Rutgers in the back and playing ND in Rutgers back yard after they took a stand for their financial welfare and the welfare of the BE as a whole. IF ND gets away with this crap beating down conference mates for everything but FB, all the other major schools in the the BCS conferences will do the same thing and make the same demands. The conference as a whole will never move forward with this type of action and the BE will continue to be looked down on as the weak ugly duckling that anyone can push around. If the conference mates don't stand up for each other and show respect to one another how can the BE expect to get that respect from other BCS schools and other major bowls when those contracts come do. As it stands the BE looks as bad as ND in the money grubbing game when it comes to issues like this and the schools look like a bunch of starving money grubbing, back stabbing institutions acting like sharks that will kill their own to survive. IF the BE schools don't respect each other why should anyone else whether they are BCS or non BCS conferences, or major money NYD bowls.
panite Wrote:Respectfully to Cuse and Conn this makes the BE look bad by stabbing Rutgers in the back and playing ND in Rutgers back yard after they took a stand for their financial welfare and the welfare of the BE as a whole.
It is still only speculation that there is another team besides UConn from the Big East that is willing to play ND at the Meadowlands. It could simply be that AD White was referring to the Huskies, whose deal, though agreed upon in principle has not yet been signed and ratified just yet.
I commend Rutgers on it's decision to say no to the Irish. But I don't fault UConn for saying yes, either.
But let's face it, this was done based solely on Rutgers needs, not because the Rutgers admins were taking a bullet for the league.
Rutgers said no because it would be kind of foolish for them to agree to this and then turn around to the state and say we need money to expand. Agreeing to play ND at the Meadowlands could possibly lead to the state saying to them, 'Why bother to expand? - just play your "marquee" games at the Meadowlands and save the state some money.'
On the one hand, I disagree, rutgers probably should have taken the deal...playing ND at giants/jets stadium would have brought huge $'s into NJ and been a big event for the state and rutgers football. Given the fact the big east only plays 7 football conf games, they have space on the schedule. As for uconn, i don't think uconn should be knifing fellow big east member rutgers by playing ND in new jersey but don't have a problem with them playing ND at the pats stadium. Yet, i can see why the pols of CT don't like the idea since all the money from those games are going out of state...syracuse is pretty much in the same boat. On the other hand, F ND...lets look at bigger picture, why is ND is demanding games at larger stadiums for some teams, uconn, rutgers and not others, stanford, bc...show some F'ing class, how much money do you need, its not like gate revenue is the only revenue, i'm sure nbc would like nd-rutgers on the tube. Sure you can request the game be played at larger stadiums but is it too much to ask to play your fellow big east conf member at there home stadium when these programs are trying to build themselves up?
TerryD Wrote:FWIW, my initial reaction was USF when I read that article.
My initial reaction was Notre Dame couldn't understand why anyone wouldn't just bend over and take it from them. After all they are the Irish...
Times they are a changing. ND can't operate as if they matter in the landscape of college football anymore because they don't. The only people that don't know this are ...
1. ND fans, a shrinking fanbase. Notre Dame fans have ALWAYS been a notorious bandwagon bunch and 3-9 just don't fill the wagon anymore
2. ND administration, they don't realize yet that Phat Charlie is killing their program.
3. NBC...Funny but the Peacock may be looking to dump the Irish with ratings the Irish have been pulling lately. The NBC brass are realizing that if they are going to broadcast college football they need to broadcast something that college football fans will actually tune in to.
The Irish have been weighed, measured and found wanting. Welcome to a new world ND.
CJ
I could maybe see USF going for it, if only to stick it to the Glazers and the Tampa Sports Authority for screwing us with the ACC Championship game. "Yeah, Notre Dame said they wanted to come play at Raymond James, but with the ACC Championship in town we had to move it to Orlando." Seriously, if a USF-ND matchup in Orlando was on the same day as the ACC Championship in Tampa, and USF-ND drew more fans, it would be a black eye to the ACC and TSA. It will never happen, but I dare to dream.
My guess is it's Notre Dame trying to save face by hyping the UConn deal. Then again, without Rutgers, who is their third BE game? If no one else agrees to their terms, will Mike T let them go with only 2? He already allowed them to skip out on playing all 8 teams.
esayem Wrote:Well my friends there are certain perks of being an independant. ND is never tied down and they can play anyone they want anywhere. I know the other independants schedlue around where they are going to draw big too. Why is that bad, I think it is bad-ass! I like that schools have the balls to go out and play old school football.
Rutgers should have played them at the meadowlands, ND doesn't want to play in front of 40-50k crowds anymore, it would be a waste. UConn is probably the other school they were talking about. Maybe Syracuse but don't they allready have that series set up? Regardless, ND could play Army or Navy in the Meadowlands, Gillete Stadium, the Ravens Stadium, wherever. Hell, I plan on going to see Army-ND at Soldier Field in Chicago! That is going to be amazing!
So then you would have no problem with UNC playing them in Jacksonville?
Cheers,
Neil
I cracked up when I read that, and yes I would have a problem with that. If they wanted to play in Charlotte I would have a problem with that also because Kenan Memorial is a fine southern venue in which a traditional gentleman's contest should be played.
(This post was last modified: 04-27-2008 08:48 PM by esayem.)
So what's wrong with ND playing in a 56K seat Rutgers Stadium? Nothing but they don't control the revenue and all that nonsense. I continue to commend Big Bob on his decision.
esayem Wrote:
omnicarrier Wrote:
esayem Wrote:Well my friends there are certain perks of being an independant. ND is never tied down and they can play anyone they want anywhere. I know the other independants schedlue around where they are going to draw big too. Why is that bad, I think it is bad-ass! I like that schools have the balls to go out and play old school football.
Rutgers should have played them at the meadowlands, ND doesn't want to play in front of 40-50k crowds anymore, it would be a waste. UConn is probably the other school they were talking about. Maybe Syracuse but don't they allready have that series set up? Regardless, ND could play Army or Navy in the Meadowlands, Gillete Stadium, the Ravens Stadium, wherever. Hell, I plan on going to see Army-ND at Soldier Field in Chicago! That is going to be amazing!
So then you would have no problem with UNC playing them in Jacksonville?
Cheers,
Neil
I cracked up when I read that, and yes I would have a problem with that. If they wanted to play in Charlotte I would have a problem with that also because Kenan Memorial is a fine southern venue in which a traditional gentleman's contest should be played.
