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ORU a good fit for MVC
The perfect league match for Oral Roberts is the Missouri Valley Conference.

Since Tulsa left the Valley, the MVC has become a basketball and baseball powerhouse.

TU, with football but no baseball, is a much better fit in its new home in Conference USA.

ORU, with nationally competitive basketball and baseball, would be a great catch for the Missouri Valley.

One problem: ORU may be looking for options but, unfortunately, there's no room in the MVC for the Golden Eagles.

That could change, and ORU should be ready to make a move.

However, until then, ORU will likely have to make the best of the Mid-Continent Conference.

ORU is at Mid-Con Conference meetings this week for discussions about the league's future.

Valparaiso, arguably the highest-profile basketball school in the conference, is leaving for the Horizon League. Chicago State is also leaving the league. That leaves the Mid-Con under the minimum to retain its automatic NCAA Tournament bids.

That is especially important to ORU. The Golden Eagles earned automatic bids to the NCAA men's basketball and baseball tournaments this past school year.

So, there is some urgency to get new membership

to stay above the new minimums within the next two years.

ORU, after scrambling for years to find a conference home, finally landed in the Mid-Con for the 1997-98 school year.

It has been a good fit. Oral Roberts has dominated the league in a variety of sports, especially baseball, and has been competitive in all sports. The Eagles have regularly won the Commissioner's Cup as the league's top overall athletic department.

This past school year, the Golden Eagles won their first Mid-Con title in men's basketball to earn a spot in the NCAA Tournament. ORU lost to top-seeded Memphis in Dallas in the first round.

Still, it was proof that ORU's decision to get out of independent status and find a conference home was the right move.

ORU eventually found a league, and coach Scott Sutton got the Eagles into March Madness this year.

Originally, it was thought by many that ORU, which was on the road back after dropping down to the NAIA for a few years, would land in the Sun Belt Conference.

The Eagles certainly fit into that league geographically, a conference dominated by Texas and Louisiana schools. However, that league was actually looking for football-playing schools.

So, eventually, the Mid-Con opened up. It wasn't a perfect fit. The league had teams as far away as Buffalo and Utah, but it was better than being an independent. Over the years, they have fit together better.

However, losing Valpo and Chicago State may alter the landscape. Indiana-Purdue Fort Wayne and Dallas Baptist are among the possibilities mentioned. But there might be a long list of candidates since there is no shortage of teams looking for a Division I-basketball league to call home.

Still, just to be smart, ORU needs to keep its options open.

ORU needs to look no further than across town for a perfect example.

When Tulsa left the Missouri Valley Conference, it did so for football. The Hurricane needed a home for football, so it jumped at the chance to join the new 16-team Western Athletic Conference.

The WAC wasn't perfect -- 16 teams were far too many -- but it was better because it gave football a home.

When eight schools broke off to form the Mountain West, Tulsa was caught by surprise and learned a valuable lesson. It needed to be ready to move if things altered the collegiate landscape.

So, Tulsa aligned itself closely with SMU and Rice and kept its ears open. When the Atlantic Coast Conference expanded, making room in the Big East for new members, Conference USA had a need for new members.

A chance to be a member of a league with better geography for Tulsa was perfect.

For the same reason, ORU needs to stay alert. It needs to make sure it has some partners that can move with it (such as Missouri-Kansas City).

The Missouri Valley Conference, with 10 members, doesn't need to expand. It had four teams in the NCAA Men's Tournament and a fifth (Missouri State with an RPI of 21) that should have been included.

The Valley had two baseball teams reach the regional finals.

ORU, in the NCAA men's basketball tournament and in an NCAA baseball tournament super regional, would be a great addition to the Valley.

Someday, it should happen. Until then it is up to ORU to make its league home the best it can and stay ready.

You never know when the landscape of college athletics will undergo another shift.

When it does, Oral Roberts should be ready to leap.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/SportsStory.as...RUag6550_2
06-27-2006 07:43 AM
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St. Louis would be a much better addition to the MVC.
06-27-2006 08:10 AM
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Re: ORU a good fit for MVC
SO#1 Wrote:The perfect league match for Oral Roberts is the Missouri Valley Conference.

Since Tulsa left the Valley, the MVC has become a basketball and baseball powerhouse.

TU, with football but no baseball, is a much better fit in its new home in Conference USA.

ORU, with nationally competitive basketball and baseball, would be a great catch for the Missouri Valley.

One problem: ORU may be looking for options but, unfortunately, there's no room in the MVC for the Golden Eagles.

That could change, and ORU should be ready to make a move.

However, until then, ORU will likely have to make the best of the Mid-Continent Conference.

ORU is at Mid-Con Conference meetings this week for discussions about the league's future.

Valparaiso, arguably the highest-profile basketball school in the conference, is leaving for the Horizon League. Chicago State is also leaving the league. That leaves the Mid-Con under the minimum to retain its automatic NCAA Tournament bids.

That is especially important to ORU. The Golden Eagles earned automatic bids to the NCAA men's basketball and baseball tournaments this past school year.

So, there is some urgency to get new membership

to stay above the new minimums within the next two years.

ORU, after scrambling for years to find a conference home, finally landed in the Mid-Con for the 1997-98 school year.

It has been a good fit. Oral Roberts has dominated the league in a variety of sports, especially baseball, and has been competitive in all sports. The Eagles have regularly won the Commissioner's Cup as the league's top overall athletic department.

This past school year, the Golden Eagles won their first Mid-Con title in men's basketball to earn a spot in the NCAA Tournament. ORU lost to top-seeded Memphis in Dallas in the first round.

Still, it was proof that ORU's decision to get out of independent status and find a conference home was the right move.

ORU eventually found a league, and coach Scott Sutton got the Eagles into March Madness this year.

Originally, it was thought by many that ORU, which was on the road back after dropping down to the NAIA for a few years, would land in the Sun Belt Conference.

The Eagles certainly fit into that league geographically, a conference dominated by Texas and Louisiana schools. However, that league was actually looking for football-playing schools.

So, eventually, the Mid-Con opened up. It wasn't a perfect fit. The league had teams as far away as Buffalo and Utah, but it was better than being an independent. Over the years, they have fit together better.

However, losing Valpo and Chicago State may alter the landscape. Indiana-Purdue Fort Wayne and Dallas Baptist are among the possibilities mentioned. But there might be a long list of candidates since there is no shortage of teams looking for a Division I-basketball league to call home.

Still, just to be smart, ORU needs to keep its options open.

ORU needs to look no further than across town for a perfect example.

When Tulsa left the Missouri Valley Conference, it did so for football. The Hurricane needed a home for football, so it jumped at the chance to join the new 16-team Western Athletic Conference.

The WAC wasn't perfect -- 16 teams were far too many -- but it was better because it gave football a home.

When eight schools broke off to form the Mountain West, Tulsa was caught by surprise and learned a valuable lesson. It needed to be ready to move if things altered the collegiate landscape.

So, Tulsa aligned itself closely with SMU and Rice and kept its ears open. When the Atlantic Coast Conference expanded, making room in the Big East for new members, Conference USA had a need for new members.

A chance to be a member of a league with better geography for Tulsa was perfect.

For the same reason, ORU needs to stay alert. It needs to make sure it has some partners that can move with it (such as Missouri-Kansas City).

The Missouri Valley Conference, with 10 members, doesn't need to expand. It had four teams in the NCAA Men's Tournament and a fifth (Missouri State with an RPI of 21) that should have been included.

The Valley had two baseball teams reach the regional finals.

ORU, in the NCAA men's basketball tournament and in an NCAA baseball tournament super regional, would be a great addition to the Valley.

Someday, it should happen. Until then it is up to ORU to make its league home the best it can and stay ready.

You never know when the landscape of college athletics will undergo another shift.

When it does, Oral Roberts should be ready to leap.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/SportsStory.as...RUag6550_2

And this relates to Big East?
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This article is so stupid. The Missouri Valley Conference has 10 teams, excellent basketball, and absolutely no reason to expand. Oral Roberts would be best served by taking over the leadership void Valparaiso's departure will leave in the Mid-Continent Conference.

For the record Oakland, IUPUI, Western Illinois, UMKC, Centenary, Oral Roberts, and Southern Utah are the 7 teams left in the Mid-Con. IPFW, North Dakota State, and South Dakota State would make 10. North Dakota and South Dakota can make 12 later.

The writer of this article already admits that there is no room in the Missouri Valley Conference for Oral Roberts. So why did he even type up this sorry excuse for a story? Nobody is leaving the Missouri Valley anytime soon either. Some people love making up rubbish.
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Re: ORU a good fit for MVC
SO#1 Wrote:The perfect league match for Oral Roberts is the Missouri Valley Conference.

Since Tulsa left the Valley, the MVC has become a basketball and baseball powerhouse.

TU, with football but no baseball, is a much better fit in its new home in Conference USA.


http://www.tulsaworld.com/SportsStory.as...RUag6550_2

Well...MVU is a good baseball conference (ranked 12th in RPI) and CUSA was ranked 5th.

Haven't heard of anyone call MVU a baseball "powerhouse" before.

See link for Conference RPI's in Baseball

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/rpi/confrpi.html
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New Conference?
How about this for a new conference?

Centenary
Lamar
Oral Roberts
Texas-Arlington
Texas-Pan American
Texas-San Antonio
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi
Utah Valley State
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The Missouri Valley would be better served by adding Western Illinois and Younstown State since they are already members of the Gateway Football Conference which is run by them.
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Since you like discussing mid-major schools, Krysakowski, please go to a certain website called http://www.anygivensaturday.com and pitch your lovely realignment proposals to them. They will be happy to have you. We will be happy to have you gone.
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If you can't say anytning nice, then don't say anything at all.
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They're waiting for you over there David. The people at http://www.anygivensaturday.com love posting about realignment.
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MVC has to consider that MAC and Sun Belt could go after Missouri State or Northern Iowa for football and basketball. The fact that football drives conference aligment makes MVC a target of a raid. Sun Belt is at 8 teams. If they ever strive to compete with MAC, CUSA and the rest of D-A football teams, they must land a title game and put it on TV. That means expansion to 12 teams. If BE ever decides to go to 12, Sun Belt is gonna need teams to restock as CUSA will pick apart them.
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David Krysakowski Wrote:The Missouri Valley would be better served by adding Western Illinois and Younstown State since they are already members of the Gateway Football Conference which is run by them.

Why? We already have WIU's market plus them and Youngstown stink in bb. Dumb, dumb move.

Honestly do you ever think about anything other than geography before you put your stupid realingments together?
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OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:MVC has to consider that MAC and Sun Belt could go after Missouri State or Northern Iowa for football and basketball. The fact that football drives conference aligment makes MVC a target of a raid. Sun Belt is at 8 teams. If they ever strive to compete with MAC, CUSA and the rest of D-A football teams, they must land a title game and put it on TV. That means expansion to 12 teams. If BE ever decides to go to 12, Sun Belt is gonna need teams to restock as CUSA will pick apart them.
Everybody does not need to have 12 teams or a title game. You and David both need to take your crazy realignment fantasies to http://www.anygivensaturday.com or http://www.caazone.com or some other Division I-AA conference boards. They enjoy discussing it.
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