Gray Avenger Wrote:

Quote:[quote="omnicarrier"]
I'm all for a split down the road, but at this point in time, let Cincinnati and USF have time to develop in a BCS league and see how things shape up with Memphis, ECU, UCF, and others.

Do you use that philosophy in the stock market? Chasing stock after it has risen in value?

I would not use that philosophy in the stock market. But then again we are talking about football, something that has no relavance to the stock market.

TexanMark Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:

Quote:[quote="omnicarrier"]
I'm all for a split down the road, but at this point in time, let Cincinnati and USF have time to develop in a BCS league and see how things shape up with Memphis, ECU, UCF, and others.

Do you use that philosophy in the stock market? Chasing stock after it has risen in value?

You can when there are no other BCS buyers.

LOL, That makes alot of sense.

omnicarrier Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:I disagree with you also about Kentucky. I'll give you a pass because you're looking at them from a distance. UK has had 2 periods of moderate success in the past 50 years, each lasting around 5 years or less. Each time, Fran Curci in the 70's and Hal Mumme in the 90's, UK was busted for major NCAA violations. I'd argue the program got off easy both times. UK's biggest disadvantage on the gridiron is oddly percieved to be its greatest advantage which is its SEC membership. There is simply zero room for upward mobility in the SEC East. Having to get past Georgia, Florida and Tennessee EVERY season for a shot at the top 3 in your division is a daunting task for anyone, much less a perenial cellar dweller. The 70 point humiliations and regular shutouts create a culture of losing. In close games where they've had a chance to make a statement I've seen Kentucky pull defeat from the jaws of victory too many times. The fact that these instances are consistent is no fluke. Now that Louisville has their foot on their neck as well UK is in dire straits. Kentucky is not an enormous football state with multitudes of high calibur prospects. Louisville is now taking more than its share of the best of those recruits, see Bush and Brohm. The fact that they hired Rich Brooks should tell you something about how coaches view the UK job. Curry came from building a national title contender at Alabama and flushed his career down the toilet at UK. We'll keep this post in mind in the coming years. You'll never see UK reach any sort of football status resembling a 'giant'.

Same goes for UNC. I've never seen a softer bunch than that powder blue wearing bunch from Chapel Hill. If you believe the recruiting services ratings on paper they should have at the very least been competitive with us and at their best should have wiped the field with us. The land top 20 classes year after year after year and have 0 to show for it. 34-0 @ UNC, 69-14 @ Louisville.

I'll give you a pass since you're from the state of Kentucky and are probably viewing this from Red-tainted eyeglasses.

Put Jurich and Petrino in as AD and head coach at Kentucky and the Wildcats surpass what has been accomplished at Louisville.

Put Weaver and Beamer in as AD and head coach at UNC and the Tar Heels take over North Carolina (a region now that supports 5 BCS teams and helps support a 6th in Clemson, which draws on some in Charlotte).

It's why both Kentucky and UNC qualify as 'sleeping' giants. The culture needs to be changed, but the same was true for Louisville and Syracuse as well. At some point in time the right AD and the right coach needed to both be in place at the same time to change the culture.

Cheers,
Neil

Once again Neil you ignore the fact that it is not simply an internal dynamic at UK. The single largest obstacle to UK football success is its league. SHort of the death penalty at UF, UGA or UT, UK has no shot of being considered a success in the SEC. Thorw in the fact that Spurrier landed at USC and things get even tougher.

As for your arguments about Beamer at UNC making UNC a power and Petrino at UK making UK a power; why hasn't John L Smith won titles, Big 10 or otherwise at Michigan State? He was successful at Louisville. Why hasn't Spurrier started hanging 70 on everyone he plays at USC? He did at Florida. Why did Curry struggle and fail at UK after he built Alabama's last national title team?

Louisville relative to Kentucky is a program built for success. Pardon the analogy but UofL is like a seedling that was planted in a small cup where it had a chance to grow and as it has gotten larger and larger it has thrived and moved on to bigger and better containers until now when it is planted strong into the garden. UK is a seedling stuck in the middle of the garden amongst some of the most massive plants on the landscape. It always has been and you have yet to tell me why that will change.

L-yes Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:I disagree with you also about Kentucky. I'll give you a pass because you're looking at them from a distance. UK has had 2 periods of moderate success in the past 50 years, each lasting around 5 years or less. Each time, Fran Curci in the 70's and Hal Mumme in the 90's, UK was busted for major NCAA violations. I'd argue the program got off easy both times. UK's biggest disadvantage on the gridiron is oddly percieved to be its greatest advantage which is its SEC membership. There is simply zero room for upward mobility in the SEC East. Having to get past Georgia, Florida and Tennessee EVERY season for a shot at the top 3 in your division is a daunting task for anyone, much less a perenial cellar dweller. The 70 point humiliations and regular shutouts create a culture of losing. In close games where they've had a chance to make a statement I've seen Kentucky pull defeat from the jaws of victory too many times. The fact that these instances are consistent is no fluke. Now that Louisville has their foot on their neck as well UK is in dire straits. Kentucky is not an enormous football state with multitudes of high calibur prospects. Louisville is now taking more than its share of the best of those recruits, see Bush and Brohm. The fact that they hired Rich Brooks should tell you something about how coaches view the UK job. Curry came from building a national title contender at Alabama and flushed his career down the toilet at UK. We'll keep this post in mind in the coming years. You'll never see UK reach any sort of football status resembling a 'giant'.

Same goes for UNC. I've never seen a softer bunch than that powder blue wearing bunch from Chapel Hill. If you believe the recruiting services ratings on paper they should have at the very least been competitive with us and at their best should have wiped the field with us. The land top 20 classes year after year after year and have 0 to show for it. 34-0 @ UNC, 69-14 @ Louisville.

I'll give you a pass since you're from the state of Kentucky and are probably viewing this from Red-tainted eyeglasses.

Put Jurich and Petrino in as AD and head coach at Kentucky and the Wildcats surpass what has been accomplished at Louisville.

Put Weaver and Beamer in as AD and head coach at UNC and the Tar Heels take over North Carolina (a region now that supports 5 BCS teams and helps support a 6th in Clemson, which draws on some in Charlotte).

It's why both Kentucky and UNC qualify as 'sleeping' giants. The culture needs to be changed, but the same was true for Louisville and Syracuse as well. At some point in time the right AD and the right coach needed to both be in place at the same time to change the culture.

Cheers,
Neil

Once again Neil you ignore the fact that it is not simply an internal dynamic at UK. The single largest obstacle to UK football success is its league. SHort of the death penalty at UF, UGA or UT, UK has no shot of being considered a success in the SEC. Thorw in the fact that Spurrier landed at USC and things get even tougher.

As for your arguments about Beamer at UNC making UNC a power and Petrino at UK making UK a power; why hasn't John L Smith won titles, Big 10 or otherwise at Michigan State? He was successful at Louisville. Why hasn't Spurrier started hanging 70 on everyone he plays at USC? He did at Florida. Why did Curry struggle and fail at UK after he built Alabama's last national title team?

Louisville relative to Kentucky is a program built for success. Pardon the analogy but UofL is like a seedling that was planted in a small cup where it had a chance to grow and as it has gotten larger and larger it has thrived and moved on to bigger and better containers until now when it is planted strong into the garden. UK is a seedling stuck in the middle of the garden amongst some of the most massive plants on the landscape. It always has been and you have yet to tell me why that will change.

Because in college athletics it takes both a strong AD as well as good coaches to bring about culture changes. Both the ADs and coaches at Kentucky and UNC suck.

As I said, put both Jurich and Petrino at Kentucky and they rise challenging all three SEC East title contenders. Or are you saying that the current Louisville team could not possibly contend with the likes of Georgia, Tennessee and Florida? Didn't a team you consider yourself a peer of (West Virginia) just beat Georgia at what amounted to a home game for the Dawgs? Talk about Red-tainted glasses.

And I'd hardly call John L. Smith a good coach. He was mediocre even while at Louisville, having only one good season against a pathetic schedule. The bulk of his seasons as a Cardinal coach were 7-4, 7-5 type seasons and his tenure at Utah State before that was dreadful.

The Michigan State AD proved his ineptitude by hiring the guy.

And your flower analogy is just dumb.

Cheers,
Neil

P.S. Spurrier's been at South Carolina one year, playing with Lou Holtz' players and beat both Florida and Tennesse and lost to Georgia in Atlanta by 2 points. Why in the world would you think he won't be successful at South Carolina?

omnicarrier Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:

L-yes Wrote:I disagree with you also about Kentucky. I'll give you a pass because you're looking at them from a distance. UK has had 2 periods of moderate success in the past 50 years, each lasting around 5 years or less. Each time, Fran Curci in the 70's and Hal Mumme in the 90's, UK was busted for major NCAA violations. I'd argue the program got off easy both times. UK's biggest disadvantage on the gridiron is oddly percieved to be its greatest advantage which is its SEC membership. There is simply zero room for upward mobility in the SEC East. Having to get past Georgia, Florida and Tennessee EVERY season for a shot at the top 3 in your division is a daunting task for anyone, much less a perenial cellar dweller. The 70 point humiliations and regular shutouts create a culture of losing. In close games where they've had a chance to make a statement I've seen Kentucky pull defeat from the jaws of victory too many times. The fact that these instances are consistent is no fluke. Now that Louisville has their foot on their neck as well UK is in dire straits. Kentucky is not an enormous football state with multitudes of high calibur prospects. Louisville is now taking more than its share of the best of those recruits, see Bush and Brohm. The fact that they hired Rich Brooks should tell you something about how coaches view the UK job. Curry came from building a national title contender at Alabama and flushed his career down the toilet at UK. We'll keep this post in mind in the coming years. You'll never see UK reach any sort of football status resembling a 'giant'.

Same goes for UNC. I've never seen a softer bunch than that powder blue wearing bunch from Chapel Hill. If you believe the recruiting services ratings on paper they should have at the very least been competitive with us and at their best should have wiped the field with us. The land top 20 classes year after year after year and have 0 to show for it. 34-0 @ UNC, 69-14 @ Louisville.

I'll give you a pass since you're from the state of Kentucky and are probably viewing this from Red-tainted eyeglasses.

Put Jurich and Petrino in as AD and head coach at Kentucky and the Wildcats surpass what has been accomplished at Louisville.

Put Weaver and Beamer in as AD and head coach at UNC and the Tar Heels take over North Carolina (a region now that supports 5 BCS teams and helps support a 6th in Clemson, which draws on some in Charlotte).

It's why both Kentucky and UNC qualify as 'sleeping' giants. The culture needs to be changed, but the same was true for Louisville and Syracuse as well. At some point in time the right AD and the right coach needed to both be in place at the same time to change the culture.

Cheers,
Neil

Once again Neil you ignore the fact that it is not simply an internal dynamic at UK. The single largest obstacle to UK football success is its league. SHort of the death penalty at UF, UGA or UT, UK has no shot of being considered a success in the SEC. Thorw in the fact that Spurrier landed at USC and things get even tougher.

As for your arguments about Beamer at UNC making UNC a power and Petrino at UK making UK a power; why hasn't John L Smith won titles, Big 10 or otherwise at Michigan State? He was successful at Louisville. Why hasn't Spurrier started hanging 70 on everyone he plays at USC? He did at Florida. Why did Curry struggle and fail at UK after he built Alabama's last national title team?

Louisville relative to Kentucky is a program built for success. Pardon the analogy but UofL is like a seedling that was planted in a small cup where it had a chance to grow and as it has gotten larger and larger it has thrived and moved on to bigger and better containers until now when it is planted strong into the garden. UK is a seedling stuck in the middle of the garden amongst some of the most massive plants on the landscape. It always has been and you have yet to tell me why that will change.

Because in college athletics it takes both a strong AD as well as good coaches to bring about culture changes. Both the ADs and coaches at Kentucky and UNC suck.

As I said, put both Jurich and Petrino at Kentucky and they rise challenging all three SEC East title contenders. Or are you saying that the current Louisville team could not possibly contend with the likes of Georgia, Tennessee and Florida? Didn't a team you consider yourself a peer of (West Virginia) just beat Georgia at what amounted to a home game for the Dawgs? Talk about Red-tainted glasses.

And I'd hardly call John L. Smith a good coach. He was mediocre even while at Louisville, having only one good season against a pathetic schedule. The bulk of his seasons as a Cardinal coach were 7-4, 7-5 type seasons and his tenure at Utah State before that was dreadful.

The Michigan State AD proved his ineptitude by hiring the guy.

And your flower analogy is just dumb.

Cheers,
Neil

P.S. Spurrier's been at South Carolina one year, playing with Lou Holtz' players and beat both Florida and Tennesse and lost to Georgia in Atlanta by 2 points. Why in the world would you think he won't be successful at South Carolina?

My flower analogy is dumb? JLS took a program that was in horrible shape and guided it to a winner with several highly successful seasons. Maybe our new facilities aided him. I happen to believe state of the art facilities are the single largest factor in Louisville ascension and a major factor in SU's decline, see astro-turf, but that's another topic. Back on point John L Smith certainly laid part of the foundation that made the program what it is today. If we are going to be frank I think your notion of the 'sleeping football giant' at UK is absurd. You ignore a hundred years of crap and just throw that at the wall to see if it sticks. You act as if CM Newton and Bill Curry was some junk combination that lacked the ingredients for success when in reality CM was regarded as one of the finest athletic directors in the NCAA and Bill Curry was regarded as one of the best coaches when he was hired at Kentucky.

Louisville can currently compete in the SEC because of my 'dumb' garden analogy. It became a successful football program in a lesser conference and as a winner has grown its talent level to match that of other national players. UK will never have that chance.

omnicarrier Wrote:I won't get into the attendance thing. In this regard, I believe it's time Bearcats' fans either demonstrate good attendance at football games or keep their excuses to themselves.

I gotta agree with that. Since UK is being discussed, I consider their fanbase loyal and passionate (although their intelligence is often questioned lmfao ) as evidenced by both their football and basketball attendence.

UC people, by and large, are fans of winning. Just look at UC's board on here, and see how many care about only basketball. THAT culture obviously has to change.

Question for you:

When the City of Orlando knocks down the Citrus bowl to redevelop it for two years, where do you think they will play both the Citurs Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl? I will tell you, at UCF's new stadium.

Now the Citurs Bowl will most likely move back to the new Citrus Bowl, but don't be surprised to see the Champs Sports Bowl stay on UCF's campus.

Quote:When the City of Orlando knocks down the Citrus bowl to redevelop it for two years, where do you think they will play both the Citurs Bowl and Champs Sports Bowl? I will tell you, at UCF's new stadium.

That really sucks for the Citrus Bowl. They usually average like 60-70k for that game, a lot of revenue will be lost.

It makes sense for the Champs Sports Bowl to be played at UCF's stadium though. 45k would look much better on TV at UCF instead of the Citrus Bowl with 30k empty seats. Gives a better atmosphere, too.

UCF has been a sleeping giant for 10 years. They didn't have competition from USF, FAU, FIU 5 or more of those years and they still didn't get woke up. Even being the 4 option in FL.

Not sure why it would suddenly be easier now with USF having BCS status and FAU and FIU starting to get recognition as well. I don't think there is any question USF is in a much better postion of power these days and with half the time in D1a that UCF, they really have ran circles around UCF.

StillJonesing Wrote:UCF has been a sleeping giant for 10 years. They didn't have competition from USF, FAU, FIU 5 or more of those years and they still didn't get woke up. Even being the 4 option in FL.

Not sure why it would suddenly be easier now with USF having BCS status and FAU and FIU starting to get recognition as well. I don't think there is any question USF is in a much better postion of power these days and with half the time in D1a that UCF, they really have ran circles around UCF.

Your envy of everything UCF is hilarious.

10 years ago did we have a new stadium, a great coach, a great AD, and coming off a year in which we hosted a championship game?

UCFs Greatest wins of all time

1. Toledo.................9-3 N/A (1997)
2. Miami(oh)............7-5 #56 (2002)
3. La Tech...............6-6 #61 (1998)
4. Memphis..............7-5 #70 (2005)
5. Alabama..............3-8 #71 (2000)
6. UAB.....................6-5 #75 (2001)
7. Toledo..................7-5 #76 (1999)
8. Bowling Green.......5-6 #80 (1998)
9. Houston.................6-6 #84 (2005)
10. ECU....................5-6 #92 (2005)

*the only other D1a team UCF beat that finished with a winning record ........UL-L 6-5 #119 (2005) UCF a grand total of 6 wins against D1a teams with winning records in there entire history. You are really our envy

You've been sleeping pretty hard these last 10 years. I just don't see it with USF being BCS, and FAU and FIU now. USF yeah, they are, they showed it beating teams like Pitt and UL that were actually good that they could wake up.

Great Thread

UL fans thanks for the inputs--good back and forth

StillJonesing Wrote:UCFs Greatest wins of all time

1. Toledo.................9-3 N/A (1997)
2. Miami(oh)............7-5 #56 (2002)
3. La Tech...............6-6 #61 (1998)
4. Memphis..............7-5 #70 (2005)
5. Alabama..............3-8 #71 (2000)
6. UAB.....................6-5 #75 (2001)
7. Toledo..................7-5 #76 (1999)
8. Bowling Green.......5-6 #80 (1998)
9. Houston.................6-6 #84 (2005)
10. ECU....................5-6 #92 (2005)

*the only other D1a team UCF beat that finished with a winning record ........UL-L 6-5 #119 (2005) UCF a grand total of 6 wins against D1a teams with winning records in there entire history. You are really our envy

You've been sleeping pretty hard these last 10 years. I just don't see it with USF being BCS, and FAU and FIU now. USF yeah, they are, they showed it beating teams like Pitt and UL that were actually good that they could wake up.

Wow...with such a pathetic history...and after just about 5 weeks ending the nation's longest losing streak at 17 games...UCF traveled up to ECU last year and beat the Pirates by 10 during their own "Homecoming".

How could that be??

KL

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Gray Avenger Wrote:

Quote:[quote="omnicarrier"]
I'm all for a split down the road, but at this point in time, let Cincinnati and USF have time to develop in a BCS league and see how things shape up with Memphis, ECU, UCF, and others.

Do you use that philosophy in the stock market? Chasing stock after it has risen in value?

You can when there are no other BCS buyers.

My hope is that C-USA becomes so successful there won't be any selling.

Quote:My hope is that C-USA becomes so successful there won't be any selling.

It would have to become very successful very quick to be able to fend off a Big East invitation to one of the Eastern Division programs (assuming that invitation is for all sports and not just football).

KnightLight Wrote:

StillJonesing Wrote:UCFs Greatest wins of all time

1. Toledo.................9-3 N/A (1997)
2. Miami(oh)............7-5 #56 (2002)
3. La Tech...............6-6 #61 (1998)
4. Memphis..............7-5 #70 (2005)
5. Alabama..............3-8 #71 (2000)
6. UAB.....................6-5 #75 (2001)
7. Toledo..................7-5 #76 (1999)
8. Bowling Green.......5-6 #80 (1998)
9. Houston.................6-6 #84 (2005)
10. ECU....................5-6 #92 (2005)

*the only other D1a team UCF beat that finished with a winning record ........UL-L 6-5 #119 (2005) UCF a grand total of 6 wins against D1a teams with winning records in there entire history. You are really our envy

You've been sleeping pretty hard these last 10 years. I just don't see it with USF being BCS, and FAU and FIU now. USF yeah, they are, they showed it beating teams like Pitt and UL that were actually good that they could wake up.

Wow...with such a pathetic history...and after just about 5 weeks ending the nation's longest losing streak at 17 games...UCF traveled up to ECU last year and beat the Pirates by 10 during their own "Homecoming".

How could that be??

KL

For one of your top 10 wins ever out of 152 win history! Congrats.

We fumbled the game away. We outgained you, and had 542 yards of offense (damn near record day) and led the game in the 4th quarter. Our problem was we coughed it up 6 time that day including 3 fumbles and lost all 3. You guys had 2 fumbles but the ball bounced right and you got them back, and had 0 turnovers for the day. Hardly domination, and we still were very much in the game. Good luck getting 6 turnovers to 0 next season.

louisville is a sleeping giant, they have plenty of money, great fan support, espn loves them, they're fun to watch, and they've dominated the kentucky football series. the only knock is there stadium which needs to be expanded. if they beat miami and west va this year and run the table, it would be hard to keep them out of the championship game.

couple of things working in usf's favor to avoid being limited like stanford/texas tech (which is no slap to those programs). we have an easier path to the bcs game and we don't have to go through in state powers like florida or florida state to get there. texas tech has to go through texas and stanford has to go through usc, etc.

it still cracks me up how many ucf fans come over here to try to sell their school, wasn't it less than a year ago those same posters were out in full force talking about how the big east was going to lose their bcs membership and conference usa was going to be a far superior "southern" based conference and they were too good for the big east? i say let them rot, one season, after losing 17 games in a row against teams like buffalo and ball st, in which their best win was against 6-6 houston isn't making me a believer, not to mention their game against us which highlighted just how large the talent gap was between us. now that they can't sneak up on anyone let's see if last year was a fluke. besides their "better than you" attitude gets old really fast, i'd hate to see how they act after they actually have a season worth bragging about, it doesn't really endear them to their conference mates as ecu fans can attest to.

Buffalo is also a sleeping giant. Unlike Syracuse they are public school.

L-yes Wrote:My flower analogy is dumb?

Yep, Louisville is the only program amongst the Top 25 that has come about from that analogy. All of the other current consistent Top 25s who didn't use to be consistent Top 25 teams came from within BCS conferences and had to battle established Top 5-10 teams to begin to gain recognition. It may not be fair, the fans from teams on the outside looking in may not like it, but the Cards' success is the exception not the rule.

Top 25 status normally comes about by playing and beating good teams. And in this regard, the power conferences stack the deck.

Quote:JLS took a program that was in horrible shape and guided it to a winner with several highly successful seasons.

Smith's record year-by-year

7-5
7-5
9-3
11-2
7-6

Hardly my definition of highly successful with three of the five basically being mediocre.

The best of those years was the 9-3 year, since it's the only one of the 5 that the Cards played a half-way decent schedule.

Since Petrino has taken over, the SOS has not improved much but he's gotten 9 wins or more each season and looks primed to get at least that many this season as well. Smith wasn't able to accomplish 3 such successive seasons, no less four or more - even with terrible schedules.

Again, all one has to do is look at Smith's record prior to coming to Louisville, his record while there, and his record after he left and one sees that he is the definition of a mediocre coach.

Quote:Maybe our new facilities aided him. I happen to believe state of the art facilities are the single largest factor in Louisville ascension and a major factor in SU's decline, see astro-turf, but that's another topic.

Not saying facilities aren't a factor. But if you believe they are the #1 reason for a turnaround then you are fooling yourself. There are other things coming into play there behind the scenes as well - usually from the AD - such as campaigns to raise the monies to improve the facilities, television exposure, good scheduling, taking advantage of a school's natural resources (i.e. history, academic strengths, relationships with state and local gov'ts, etc.). Which is why the AD is as important as the football coach to this equation.

Quote:Back on point John L Smith certainly laid part of the foundation that made the program what it is today. If we are going to be frank I think your notion of the 'sleeping football giant' at UK is absurd. You ignore a hundred years of crap and just throw that at the wall to see if it sticks.

Kentucky has about as much history in football as Wisconsin did entering the early 90s when they hired both Richter and Alvarez (the Wildcats overall winning percentage through 1990 was 53% while the Badgers were at 54%).

And the Badgers had just as tough a road to hoe as Kentucky - with Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State joining in 1993, and Iowa all traditional powerhouses. Yet Wisconsin managed.

Again, it comes down to the right AD, the right coach, and the resources one has to draw upon. Kentucky has the latter, they just don't have the first two ingredients.

Quote:You act as if CM Newton and Bill Curry was some junk combination that lacked the ingredients for success when in reality CM was regarded as one of the finest athletic directors in the NCAA and Bill Curry was regarded as one of the best coaches when he was hired at Kentucky.

What kool-aid are you drinking in regard to Curry? He was terrible at Georgia Tech and then had three good seasons at Alabama at a point in time in Crimson Tide history when they should have been a powerhouse not merely good. You do realize that the Tide once again became a powerhouse within 2 years of Curry's leaving with Stallings as head coach? After Stallings is when the Tide began to fall about.

Had they retained Curry, the wheels would have come off much sooner.

Cheers,
Neil

P.S. I notice you ignored the Steve Spurrier rebuttal part of my post. ;-)

it still cracks me up how many ucf fans come over here to try to sell their school, wasn't it less than a year ago those same posters were out in full force talking about how the big east was going to lose their bcs membership and conference usa was going to be a far superior "southern" based conference and they were too good for the big east? i say let them rot, one season, after losing 17 games in a row against teams like buffalo and ball st, in which their best win was against 6-6 houston isn't making me a believer, not to mention their game against us which highlighted just how large the talent gap was between us. now that they can't sneak up on anyone let's see if last year was a fluke. besides their "better than you" attitude gets old really fast, i'd hate to see how they act after they actually have a season worth bragging about, it doesn't really endear them to their conference mates as ecu fans can attest to.[/quote]

LOL!!!

A writer for CFN puts out an opinion about UCF that is positive, and you spin it as our fans selling our school! Classic!!!

After that entire post, all I heard was " Pay more attention to USF!! "