TopCoog Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Yeah. Keep telling yourself that there is no such thing as non-BCS teams anymore. Okay.

As for Big Ten #8, get this through your head, we don't need to play CUSA in two bowls.

Get over this co-dependency on the Big East. Do your own thing. Find your own success.

Fact is krocker that the neither the general public nor the bowl folks see the Big east on the level of the other five. We have a talk show host here in Houston who is a frickin Syracuse grad himself and said the other day, "the big east is a terrible league with two good teams." I didn't say that, he did. lets cut the eliteism, you would not have the gator Bowl deal if it were not for notre dame.

Secondly, The BCS money does not amount to all that much per team. We are planning a 12,500 seat state of the art basketball arena that will not include a dime of BCS money. Sure we would all like to have it but I can assure you that for every dollar of private money you can raise at Syracuse we can get two in the Houston business community. Every school has its own situation to deal with. The chances are that there will always be at least one bowl game matching CUSA and the Big east. You can forget Big 10 number 8, that team will not play in any bowl game.

Its plenty of teams who are building state of the art facilities without BCS money. UCF is doing it and UofL did it around 98 or so. The only thing I care about our three letters and that is B-C-S, so regardless of how we got our bowls doesn't matter to me. All I know is we are guaranteed a spot in a B-C-S game.

Who really gives a damn about some hack radio guy in Houston and his "opinion". Is he critical of how bad rice is in everything outside of baseball. Has he talked about how Houston can't draw flies to games? Its awful funny how you talk about all these big boy donors and how rich the houston programs our, but when it comes to attending games all I see is a bunch of empty chairs. Some of you guys literally make me laugh when you come over here with some of this garbage. The opinion of a houston sports show host has zero crediblity over here. Since Houston has so many big donors then we should see houston blowing the doors off the Texas "elite" schools. We should see Houston playing in a BCS league. Obviously we must be on the same level as those other B-C-S conferences because we are sitting at the round table with those same schools. Talk bad about us as you wish but difference is we(UofL) get it done on the field.

TopCoog Wrote:Secondly, The BCS money does not amount to all that much per team.

We are planning a 12,500 seat state of the art basketball arena that will not include a dime of BCS money.

I can assure you that for every dollar of private money you can raise at Syracuse we can get two in the Houston business community. Every school has its own situation to deal with. The chances are that there will always be at least one bowl game matching CUSA and the Big east. You can forget Big 10 number 8, that team will not play in any bowl game.

As for your first sentence, I guess it's no excuse as to why Houston football has sucked for 10 years now.

As for Houston supposedly building a 12,5000 seat arena, I guess they decided that increased $$ they may receive from the new arena is worth playing in an arena that much more empty than the arena they currently play home games in. A few numbers for clarity's sake:

Houston's arena holds 8,500.

2006 Attendance- 4,857
- That is NOT in the Top 100 nationally, and behind such powers as Oral Roberts, Siena, UPenn, Ball St, ECU, & Wright St. Just to show where UH basketball support is at in what was their best season in about 15 years or so.

2005- 4,245
2004- 2,884
2003- 3,808
2002- 4.019
2001- 3,354
2000- 4,641

There's obviously a pattern here, and that pattern is roughly filling up less than half of UH's current home. That's why they "tarped up" a good % of the arena for much of this decade, just so it wouldn't look quite so pitiful. Is the UH AD wanting the team to have to play it's games in a arena that's only 25-33% full? I would think it'd be bad enough playing in a half empty home, but maybe that's just me!

As for promising UH can double any fundraising Syracuse can do, that's like me saying that I live on a $15 million estate. Both are simply not true. Simple as that. Whenever UH's pitiful football & basketball attendance is called into question, the stock excuse by you and other UH fans is that there is too much competition for the sports dollar, what with the WNBA and all. You can't have it both ways though. Quit acting like no one in the city of 3 or 4 million will come to the games, yet they all want to donate thousands to a school's athletic program that they couldn't care less about.

CollegeCard Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:Secondly, The BCS money does not amount to all that much per team.

We are planning a 12,500 seat state of the art basketball arena that will not include a dime of BCS money.

I can assure you that for every dollar of private money you can raise at Syracuse we can get two in the Houston business community. Every school has its own situation to deal with. The chances are that there will always be at least one bowl game matching CUSA and the Big east. You can forget Big 10 number 8, that team will not play in any bowl game.

As for your first sentence, I guess it's no excuse as to why Houston football has sucked for 10 years now.

As for Houston supposedly building a 12,5000 seat arena, I guess they decided that increased $$ they may receive from the new arena is worth playing in an arena that much more empty than the arena they currently play home games in. A few numbers for clarity's sake:

Houston's arena holds 8,500.

2006 Attendance- 4,857
- That is NOT in the Top 100 nationally, and behind such powers as Oral Roberts, Siena, UPenn, Ball St, ECU, & Wright St. Just to show where UH basketball support is at in what was their best season in about 15 years or so.

2005- 4,245
2004- 2,884
2003- 3,808
2002- 4.019
2001- 3,354
2000- 4,641

There's obviously a pattern here, and that pattern is roughly filling up less than half of UH's current home. That's why they "tarped up" a good % of the arena for much of this decade, just so it wouldn't look quite so pitiful. Is the UH AD wanting the team to have to play it's games in a arena that's only 25-33% full? I would think it'd be bad enough playing in a half empty home, but maybe that's just me!

As for promising UH can double any fundraising Syracuse can do, that's like me saying that I live on a $15 million estate. Both are simply not true. Simple as that. Whenever UH's pitiful football & basketball attendance is called into question, the stock excuse by you and other UH fans is that there is too much competition for the sports dollar, what with the WNBA and all. You can't have it both ways though. Quit acting like no one in the city of 3 or 4 million will come to the games, yet they all want to donate thousands to a school's athletic program that they couldn't care less about.

lmfao

Well done college.

15 mill estate.... heck before i downsized i lived in a $1500 travel supreme... does that count.

College card again shows his total lack of understanding of the Houston sports scene. On his little list he stopped at 2000 and did not list the 99 and 98 seasons when Clyde sold every frickin seat for the entire season before a single game was played. The fans are in Houston but you have to win and have to show a little glitz. The program is back and attendance has upticked in both of penders seasons....it will continue to do so.

secondly UH football is not down. We are picked by some to win CUSA and by all to go to our third bowl in four years. While nobody is going to mistake cougar football for OU it is simpy stupidity to say the program is floundering.

Quote:College card again shows his total lack of understanding of the Houston sports scene. On his little list he stopped at 2000 and did not list the 99 and 98 seasons when Clyde sold every frickin seat for the entire season before a single game was played.

He was probably ONLY THINKING THIS DECADE. 2000 is a very reasonable cutoff.

If you people want to debate Houston basketball attendance, please do it on another, relevant thread. This topic is about the list of bowl games. Do not cause this interesting and useful topic to get moved to the Smack Board because of unrelated stupidity.

Maize Wrote:

Quote:College card again shows his total lack of understanding of the Houston sports scene. On his little list he stopped at 2000 and did not list the 99 and 98 seasons when Clyde sold every frickin seat for the entire season before a single game was played.

He was probably ONLY THINKING THIS DECADE. 2000 is a very reasonable cutoff.

No it is not a reasonable cut off. My point was that college card does not understand the market. The fact is that in 1999 every single seat was sold and in 2000 it was not. The point is Maize that the fans are there, they always have been but this market has its own realities. If Cougar sports had not ever drawn then College Card would have been correct, as it is he was not correct.

TopCoog Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

Quote:College card again shows his total lack of understanding of the Houston sports scene. On his little list he stopped at 2000 and did not list the 99 and 98 seasons when Clyde sold every frickin seat for the entire season before a single game was played.

He was probably ONLY THINKING THIS DECADE. 2000 is a very reasonable cutoff.

No it is not a reasonable cut off. My point was that college card does not understand the market. The fact is that in 1999 every single seat was sold and in 2000 it was not. The point is Maize that the fans are there, they always have been but this market has its own realities. If Cougar sports had not ever drawn then College Card would have been correct, as it is he was not correct.

Cougar BB lost their fanbase--prove to me they can regain it this year

We have more people show for one friggin game than you guys had in actual turnstile count

TexanMark Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

Quote:College card again shows his total lack of understanding of the Houston sports scene. On his little list he stopped at 2000 and did not list the 99 and 98 seasons when Clyde sold every frickin seat for the entire season before a single game was played.

He was probably ONLY THINKING THIS DECADE. 2000 is a very reasonable cutoff.

No it is not a reasonable cut off. My point was that college card does not understand the market. The fact is that in 1999 every single seat was sold and in 2000 it was not. The point is Maize that the fans are there, they always have been but this market has its own realities. If Cougar sports had not ever drawn then College Card would have been correct, as it is he was not correct.

Cougar BB lost their fanbase--prove to me they can regain it this year

We have more people show for one friggin game than you guys had in actual turnstile count

Mark, Go back and read again what I just wrote. Its not a traditional fan base and never has been. last year penders went up to 4800. If he continues to do well the attendance will continue to climb. The example I used of Clyde in 99 proves the point. We went from 3K a game to total sellouts over night when clyde took the job. Texas and texas A&M don't draw here either . You have to have something going on or people do not show up. Its always been that way, always will. If TP puts the coogs back in the top 10 we'll sell out again.

TopCoog Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

Quote:College card again shows his total lack of understanding of the Houston sports scene. On his little list he stopped at 2000 and did not list the 99 and 98 seasons when Clyde sold every frickin seat for the entire season before a single game was played.

He was probably ONLY THINKING THIS DECADE. 2000 is a very reasonable cutoff.

No it is not a reasonable cut off. My point was that college card does not understand the market. The fact is that in 1999 every single seat was sold and in 2000 it was not. The point is Maize that the fans are there, they always have been but this market has its own realities. If Cougar sports had not ever drawn then College Card would have been correct, as it is he was not correct.

Cougar BB lost their fanbase--prove to me they can regain it this year

We have more people show for one friggin game than you guys had in actual turnstile count

Mark, Go back and read again what I just wrote. Its not a traditional fan base and never has been. last year penders went up to 4800. If he continues to do well the attendance will continue to climb. The example I used of Clyde in 99 proves the point. We went from 3K a game to total sellouts over night when clyde took the job. Texas and texas A&M don't draw here either . You have to have something going on or people do not show up. Its always been that way, always will. If TP puts the coogs back in the top 10 we'll sell out again.

Coog. You are wasting your breath here, as well as internet space. Even selling out an 8700 seat arena in a city of over 3 million people in the metro area is still very unimpressive. You should have a season ticket waiting list like Louisville, a metro are that is 1/3 the size. No room for excuses here. Lets get back to the talk about bowls.

cuseroc Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

TexanMark Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

Quote:College card again shows his total lack of understanding of the Houston sports scene. On his little list he stopped at 2000 and did not list the 99 and 98 seasons when Clyde sold every frickin seat for the entire season before a single game was played.

He was probably ONLY THINKING THIS DECADE. 2000 is a very reasonable cutoff.

No it is not a reasonable cut off. My point was that college card does not understand the market. The fact is that in 1999 every single seat was sold and in 2000 it was not. The point is Maize that the fans are there, they always have been but this market has its own realities. If Cougar sports had not ever drawn then College Card would have been correct, as it is he was not correct.

Cougar BB lost their fanbase--prove to me they can regain it this year

We have more people show for one friggin game than you guys had in actual turnstile count

Mark, Go back and read again what I just wrote. Its not a traditional fan base and never has been. last year penders went up to 4800. If he continues to do well the attendance will continue to climb. The example I used of Clyde in 99 proves the point. We went from 3K a game to total sellouts over night when clyde took the job. Texas and texas A&M don't draw here either . You have to have something going on or people do not show up. Its always been that way, always will. If TP puts the coogs back in the top 10 we'll sell out again.

Coog. You are wasting your breath here, as well as internet space. Even selling out an 8700 seat arena in a city of over 3 million people in the metro area is still very unimpressive. You should have a season ticket waiting list like Louisville, a metro are that is 1/3 the size. No room for excuses here. Lets get back to the talk about bowls.

And can Penders sell a Top 50 recruit the Houston Scene of huh hum 48 cough cough hundred fans? Color me a skeptic.

Maize Wrote:

Quote:College card again shows his total lack of understanding of the Houston sports scene. On his little list he stopped at 2000 and did not list the 99 and 98 seasons when Clyde sold every frickin seat for the entire season before a single game was played.

He was probably ONLY THINKING THIS DECADE. 2000 is a very reasonable cutoff.

Exactly. I wasn't going to list every year ever. It's not like I stopped on a "random" number, a decade is normal for that sort of thing.

TopCoog Wrote:College card again shows his total lack of understanding of the Houston sports scene. On his little list he stopped at 2000 and did not list the 99 and 98 seasons when Clyde sold every frickin seat for the entire season before a single game was played. The fans are in Houston but you have to win and have to show a little glitz. The program is back and attendance has upticked in both of penders seasons....it will continue to do so.

secondly UH football is not down. We are picked by some to win CUSA and by all to go to our third bowl in four years.

Man, what a surprise. Coog is proven wrong once again. You sold out every seat in 1998? NOT buying that one, considering your 1998 attendance was 2,838. 1999 was 8,479. Now that year I can believe you had a sellout, as actual attendance is darn near capacity. Congrats on 1 good year of attendance in the past decade. I say 1 good year out of the last decade because 1997 was 3,337, meaning 9 of the last 10 years UH attendance is pitiful.

It boils down to this. UH only draws fans for a "freak show" if you will. In other words, something other than the true product that a solid program sells...that being the actual team and program. For 1999, that freak show was coming to see Clyde coach (despite that it was a train wreck), not the actual team. Currently, Penders has UH fans somewhat whipped up with excitement, similar to @ UT, Rhode Island, and GW. Like every other place, he'll run from town in a few years, one step ahead of NCAA allegations and/or sanctions from his own university employer. What then, back down to 3,000 people in a 12,500 arena? NICE! At least any time a UH player misses at the free throw line he'll have the excuse of the silence being broken when a fan in the upper deck dropped a penny in the 75% empty stands.

As for UH football, the last 15 years that program has been darn near the definition of "down". What else do you call the simple fact that since your stellar 1990 campaign, Houston has only 3 above .500 seasons in the last 15 years? The best win total in that 15 years is 7 games in a season. Since CUSA's 1996 inception, UH is a total 27 games under .500 overall, and 15 games under .500 JUST in CUSA play. Not impressive at all.

As for fall of 2006, everyone thinks they'll be champs in June Coog, you know that. I won't be surprised if Kolb repeats his first 3 seasons. And by that, I mean throw for a lot of meaningless yards, throw a lot of INT's along with his TD's, and lead his team to either bowl ineligibility or else snag the last CUSA bowl spot.

lets see if we get the right picture. On the one hand I have been going to Cougar sports events since 1956 when Jimmy Dickey was QB missing no more than two dozen home games in 50 years. On the other hand we have College Card trying to tell me the problems we face here at UH. Its like some hack out at the city course trying to tell Arnold Palmer what his goldf problems are. College should be asking me questions, not giving me answers.

TopCoog Wrote:lets see if we get the right picture. On the one hand I have been going to Cougar sports events since 1956 when Jimmy Dickey was QB missing no more than two dozen home games in 50 years. On the other hand we have College Card trying to tell me the problems we face here at UH. Its like some hack out at the city course trying to tell Arnold Palmer what his goldf problems are. College should be asking me questions, not giving me answers.

Translation: You can't refute anything I said. If you are anything, it's the guy selling Arnold a beer at the concession stand at the 19th hole.

CollegeCard Wrote:

TopCoog Wrote:lets see if we get the right picture. On the one hand I have been going to Cougar sports events since 1956 when Jimmy Dickey was QB missing no more than two dozen home games in 50 years. On the other hand we have College Card trying to tell me the problems we face here at UH. Its like some hack out at the city course trying to tell Arnold Palmer what his goldf problems are. College should be asking me questions, not giving me answers.

Translation: You can't refute anything I said. If you are anything, it's the guy selling Arnold a beer at the concession stand at the 19th hole.

First you have to say something worth refuting. You may know something about a lot of things but you are clueless about UH sports. We have already determined that when the city gets excited about UH basketball, or anything else, they come out. If Penders continues to win the attendance will continue to go up. If he wins big at some point the new arena will fill up, just as it always has in the past.

Since there will be a name change in Houston, I will go ahead and take this opportunity to update the list already.

• (8) SEC
  - BCS
  - Capital One
  - Cotton
  - Outback
  - Chick-Fil-A
  - Independence
  - Music City
  - Liberty
  
  (8) BIG 12
  - BCS
  - Cotton
  - Holiday
  - Alamo
  - Sun or Gator
  - Independence
  - Insight
  - Lone Star
  
  (8) ACC
  - BCS
  - Gator
  - Chick-Fil-A
  - Champs Sports
  - Meineke Car Care
  - Boise
  - Music City
  - Emerald
  
  (7) BIG TEN
  - BCS
  - Capital One
  - Outback
  - Alamo
  - Insight
  - Champs Sports
  - Motor City
  
  (6) PAC-10
  - BCS
  - Holiday
  - Sun
  - Hawaii or Fort Worth
  - Las Vegas
  - Emerald
  
  (5) BIG EAST
  - BCS
  - Gator or Sun
  - Meineke Car Care
  - Toronto
  - Birmingham
  
  (6) CUSA
  - Liberty
  - GMAC
  - Birmingham
  - Fort Worth or Hawaii
  - New Orleans
  - Lone Star
  
  (4) MWC
  - Las Vegas
  - Fort Worth
  - New Mexico
  - Poinsettia
  
  
  (3) WAC
  - Boise
  - New Mexico
  - Hawaii
  
  (3) MAC
  - Motor City
  - GMAC
  - Toronto
  
  (1) SUN BELT
  - New Orleans
  
  (5) AT-LARGE SLOTS
  - BCS Picks (4)
  - Poinsettia (1)[/list:u]
  This topic is about bowl games, not about the basketball attendance of a school which is not even in the Big East.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:(5) BIG EAST
- BCS
- Gator or Sun
- Meineke Car Care
- Toronto
- Birmingham

(6) BIG EAST
- BCS
- Gator or Sun
- Meineke Car Care
- Lonestar
- Toronto
- Birmingham

Let me handle the changes to the list. This is my thread. Just playing with you, CollegeCard, just playing.

• (8) SEC
  - BCS
  - Capital One
  - Cotton
  - Outback
  - Chick-Fil-A
  - Independence
  - Music City
  - Liberty
  
  (8) BIG 12
  - BCS
  - Cotton
  - Holiday
  - Alamo
  - Sun or Gator
  - Independence
  - Insight
  - Lone Star
  
  (8) ACC
  - BCS
  - Gator
  - Chick-Fil-A
  - Champs Sports
  - Meineke Car Care
  - Boise
  - Music City
  - Emerald
  
  (7) BIG TEN
  - BCS
  - Capital One
  - Outback
  - Alamo
  - Insight
  - Champs Sports
  - Motor City
  
  (6) PAC-10
  - BCS
  - Holiday
  - Sun
  - Hawaii or Fort Worth
  - Las Vegas
  - Emerald
  
  (6) BIG EAST
  - BCS
  - Gator or Sun
  - Meineke Car Care
  - Lone Star
  - Toronto
  - Birmingham
  
  (5) CUSA
  - Liberty
  - GMAC
  - Birmingham
  - Fort Worth or Hawaii
  - New Orleans
  
  (4) MWC
  - Las Vegas
  - Fort Worth
  - New Mexico
  - Poinsettia
  
  (3) WAC
  - Boise
  - New Mexico
  - Hawaii
  
  (3) MAC
  - Motor City
  - GMAC
  - Toronto
  
  (1) SUN BELT
  - New Orleans
  
  (5) AT-LARGE SLOTS
  - BCS Picks (4)
  - Poinsettia (1)[/list:u]
  The Big East gets back what some had prematurely declared taken away. Do not jump the gun next time.