Get over the big 10, they can bearly cover the motor city bowl. If they have 2 bcs teams, then they usually cant cover that one.

Cubanbull Wrote:No way that Ul or WV fans talking about BCS Bowls right now would show in large numbers to Birmingham or Toronto to see their 6-6 team play a CUSA or MAC school.

Exactly. UofL and WVU aren't bringing the same number to Birmingham that they would bring to Jacksonville or New Orleans/Phoenix/Miami/Pasedena if they slip down one year. No team would, with very very few exceptions.

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Cubanbull Wrote:No way that Ul or WV fans talking about BCS Bowls right now would show in large numbers to Birmingham or Toronto to see their 6-6 team play a CUSA or MAC school.

Exactly. UofL and WVU aren't bringing the same number to Birmingham that they would bring to Jacksonville or New Orleans/Phoenix/Miami/Pasedena if they slip down one year. No team would, with very very few exceptions.

the lower bowls are just a way to bring in a few $$$ to local comunitys.. nothing wrong with that and to reward teams for there work.. during the season... and there is nothing wrong with that.. Heck its not like the kids get paid ... at least outside some of the real big schools..

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CollegeCard Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:No way that Ul or WV fans talking about BCS Bowls right now would show in large numbers to Birmingham or Toronto to see their 6-6 team play a CUSA or MAC school.

Exactly. UofL and WVU aren't bringing the same number to Birmingham that they would bring to Jacksonville or New Orleans/Phoenix/Miami/Pasedena if they slip down one year. No team would, with very very few exceptions.

the lower bowls are just a way to bring in a few $$$ to local comunitys.. nothing wrong with that and to reward teams for there work.. during the season... and there is nothing wrong with that.. Heck its not like the kids get paid ... at least outside some of the real big schools..

The sad part about it is Birmingham is only like a 5 and a half hour drive for Louisville fans and its an easy bowl to make it to, but for a 6-6 team, there wouldn't be many fans making it. How much reward can you really give a 6-6 team. I guess it is what is is now days, I don't think any school would turn down a bowl especially after a 6-6 season. I'm sure there have been some teams that have but, I doubt you would see alot of them.

I just hope that the be supports this bowl. I nor anyone else would not expect bcs numbers, but hope their is enough support to continue this series. this is an opportunity to show the world that the be does indeed travel. It would also prove that the be takes all its bowl games serious. We all know that more butts in seat at bowl games, makes your team and conference look better. The last thing the be need is another Houston bowl(if rumors are true). No slam intended.

gdayre Wrote:Get over the big 10, they can bearly cover the motor city bowl. If they have 2 bcs teams, then they usually cant cover that one.

People are so confident that the SEC, ACC, and Big 12 - with 12 teams - can cover eight bowls ... but think the Big Ten - with 11 teams - can't do the same ... that is not logical. In the past, 6-6 teams were never eligible for the Motor City Bowl, or any other bowl for that matter. Things have changed.

We are a BCS conference and I, as a fan, want our top four teams, at least, playing other BCS teams. I do not care who the fifth place and sixth place teams play but our top four teams should not have to see CUSA or MAC opponents in a bowl. That is not a slam on anyone but the reality of the BCS.

Quote:[quote="Krocker Krapp"] We are a BCS conference .............. our top four teams should not have to see CUSA or MAC opponents in a bowl

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Don't blame you - too embarrassing when we expose the hypocrisy of the BCS by beating you on the field.

Yep exactly just like you did last year. Oh i forgot you got beat bad last year.
and in case you havent noticed beating one or two BCS teams every once in awhile does not change anyhing.

It has nothing to do with fear of embarrassment. It has everything to do with BCS protocol. Do you see the top four teams from the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, or Pac-10 playing non-BCS opponents in bowls? No! So why should the Big East do such a thing? We should not! We are a BCS league and we are going to conduct ourselves like a BCS league. I did not create the BCS but that is the system we are stuck with. Don't hate the players. Hate the game.

We need to have our own bowl set up and you need to have your own bowl set up. We are not your relatives. We do not owe you anything. Go off on your own. Make your own way in the world. You have the potential to be a very good league. You do not need to constantly try to ride our coat tails or blame us when things do not go your way. You do your thing. We will do our thing. That is the only way for both conferences to ever be completely happy.

I have a tough time beleiving SU and Pitt will take a "Birmingham" bowl serious. Heck many SU/Pitt fans didn't take the Liberty bowl serious.
This bowl better get uofL,WVU,USF every year IMo.


The Liberty bowl SU-Houston played wasn't what I considered exciting , so I can't see SU/pitt fans wanting to travel to Alabama to to play a CUSA school.

[quote][quote="Krocker Krapp"]It has nothing to do with fear of embarrassment. It has everything to do with BCS protocol. Do you see the top four teams from the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, or Pac-10 playing non-BCS opponents in bowls? No! So why should the Big East do such a thing? We should not! We are a BCS league and we are going to conduct ourselves like a BCS league. I did not create the BCS but that is the system we are stuck with. Don't hate the players. Hate the game.

We need to have our own bowl set up and you need to have your own bowl set up. We are not your relatives. We do not owe you anything. Go off on your own. Make your own way in the world. You have the potential to be a very good league. You do not need to constantly try to ride our coat tails or blame us when things do not go your way. You do your thing. We will do our thing. That is the only way for both conferences to ever be completely happy.[/quote]

The BCS is a greedy, hypocritcal monopoly. Nothing more, nothing less.

The biggest reward for a 6-6 team is the opportunity to go 6-7.

Krapp, Nor do you see the other bcs conference losing their #3 bowl either, nor do you see other bcs conference #4 bowl signing deals behind their own conference back either.

Bowls in Birmingham have been very successful in the past. But that was because they could negotiate for the best teams available at that time and did not have to be locked in to certain conferences.

The Birmingham Bowl is going to suck big time and I can say that because I live in the city. The weather that time of the year can be hit and miss. It can be decent or cold as the Artic. And there is no interest in CUSA or Big East Football in Birmingham.

But what do I know. Maybe it will be successful but I just don't see it happening.

Gray Avenger Wrote:Don't blame you - too embarrassing when we expose the hypocrisy of the BCS by beating you on the field.

You mean like how CUSA embarrassed 2 out of 22 BCS opponents last season? Yes, 2-20 against BCS teams. I remember that outpouring of support that the conference received from ECU beating ACC powerhouse Duke by 3 and from Houston beating SEC powerhouse Miss St by 12.

Everyone ignored going winless against the PAC-10, Big East, Big 12, Big 10....and going 1-3 v the ACC and 1-6 v the SEC.

CollegeCard Wrote:

Gray Avenger Wrote:Don't blame you - too embarrassing when we expose the hypocrisy of the BCS by beating you on the field.

You mean like how CUSA embarrassed 2 out of 22 BCS opponents last season? Yes, 2-20 against BCS teams. I remember that outpouring of support that the conference received from ECU beating ACC powerhouse Duke by 3 and from Houston beating SEC powerhouse Miss St by 12.

Everyone ignored going winless against the PAC-10, Big East, Big 12, Big 10....and going 1-3 v the ACC and 1-6 v the SEC.

CC don't you know the use of facts is prohibited by CUSA fans? They could go 0 for eternity and the optimism over there will still flow like the Amazon River. 2-20 just proves to me that talk is very cheap.

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CC don't you know the use of facts is prohibited by CUSA fans? They could go 0 for eternity and the optimism over there will still flow like the Amazon River. 2-20 just proves to me that talk is very cheap.[/quote]

It proves to me that one can say most anything using statistics. The 2-20 record hides how close many of those losses were, represents only a single year (not exactly a valid statistical sample) and has little to do with my statement that there is fear of the embarrassment of losing. Southern Cal, Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Miami and Nebraska are just a few of the schools that have lost to C-USA teams so we know the possibility is certainly there (and we know you fear it). You are right about one thing - we are optimistic, despite oppression from the greedy, hypocritical BCS monopoly. .

ok in this decade 2000-2005. CUSA is 21-131 vs BCS teams
Tulsa 0-13
Southern Miss 5-12
SMU 1-12
Tulane 1-6
UTEP 0-8
Rice 1-9
Memphis 2-9
Marshall 1-9
Houston 2-10
ECU 4-17
UCF 1-17
UAB 3-9

Maybe its just me...but if my BE school ws 6-6...I would much rather go to Toronto then the Birmingham.....Toronto is a first class city with a lot of stuff to do



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Jackson1011 Wrote:Maybe its just me...but if my BE school ws 6-6...I would much rather go to Toronto then the Birmingham.....Toronto is a first class city with a lot of stuff to do Jackson

If the bowl game was during the early Fall or late Spring then I would agree. You don't want to be in Canada during the winter months. It is purely miserable.

At least in Birmingham you can get out and do things without having to worry about 20 inches of snow and blistering cold winds.

But hey if you're use to that type of weather then Toronto is definitely the better of the two cities.